Minutes
Boundary County Planning and Zoning
October 19, 2006
Members present: Doug Reoch, John Kellogg, Bruce Behrman, Henry McMahon, Rod Barcklay, Jake Negley, Tom Hollingsworth, Barry Davis. Member absent: Toby Schnuerle. Staff present: Mike Weland.
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Select transcript: AM0606:
In response to Kellogg’s question regarding imposing restrictions when amending the zone district:
WELAND: YOU’RE CORRECT, IN A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT, LEGALLY SPEAKING, I DO NOT THINK YOU CAN IMPOSE ANY CONDITIONS OR RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE ONCE YOU CHANGE THAT ZONE DISTRICT DESIGNATION YOU ARE ALLOWING ANYTHING WITHIN THAT ZONE DISTRICT DESIGNATION THAT IS OKAY; PERMITTED, CONDITIONAL, SPECIAL OR ANY OTHER CONDITION OF THAT. IN THE WINKLESETH CASE AND IN THE CASE BEFORE US, WE HAD OFFERS FROM THE APPLICANT MAKING AN AGREEMENT WHICH WAS USED TO DO THAT (RESTRICT MINIMUM PARCEL SIZE) WHICH WAS USED AS A BASIS FOR ACCEPTANCE. LEGALLY SPEAKING, I DON’T THINK YOU CAN HOLD THEM TO THAT, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT BOTH OF THOSE INDIVDUALS, IN THEIR AGREEMENT ARE … WITH A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT, THEY CAN CREATE THREE PARCELS AT ONE TIME, PROVIDED THEY MEET THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE REQUIREMENT AS A SIMPLE SUBDIVISION, WHICH MEANS IT’S ADMINISTRATIVE, THEY COME TO ME. THE ONLY THING THE BOARD CAN RELY ON IN THESE TYPE OF AGREEMENTS IS THAT AS ADMINISTRATOR, I WILL LOOK AT THE DEED AND INSURE THERE IS THAT RESTRICTION IMPOSED. UNDER THESE CASES, THEY IMPOSE A COMPLETE SET OF COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS, SO I CAN VERIFY THAT WHEN THEY COME TO MY OFFICE WITH THE SIMPLE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION, THAT THE DEED BEARS THAT RESTRICTION, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THOSE CC&RS, AND IF THEY DO NOT, THEN I WILL ENFORCE THE P&Z COMMISSION’S WILL THAT THAT NOT BE ALLOWED.
KELLOGG: LET’S SAY YOU’RE NOT IN THIS POSITION, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IS THERE GOING TO BE DOCUMENTATION IN THE FILE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THESE ARE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THAT ZONE?
WELAND: YOU’RE NOT RESTRICTING THAT ZONE. YOU’RE TRUSTING ON THE WORD OF THE APPLICANT. WHAT I’M TRYING TO CONVEY IS THAT WHEN THEY CREATE THE SUBDIVISION, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RECORD THE INSTRUMENTS OF CONVEYANCE TO DO THAT. UNLESS THOSE INSTRUMENTS OF CONVEYANCE INVOKE THE PROMISE THAT THEY’VE MADE, IT’S GOING TO LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN. IF, ON THOSE INSTRUMENTS OF CONVEYANCE, THEY IMPOSE THOSE COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS, THAT WILL FOLLOW THAT DEED IN PERPITUITY, OR UNTIL A COURT OVERTURNS IT FOR SOME REASON.
KELLOGG: WELL, BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME GOING AHEAD AND AMENDING THE ZONING … SO RATHER THAN OPENING THAT DOOR … I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE APPLICANT’S TRYING TO DO HERE AND I’M NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH THE VALIDITY OF IT, BUT I DO HAVE RESERVATION ABOUT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONE BASED ON THAT ONE ACRE MINIMUM LOT SIZE …
(DISCUSSION HELD ON PARCEL CONFIGURATION AND SURROUNDING USES.)
WELAND: (READ CHAPTER 9, VARIANCE REQUIREMENTS) BASED ON THOSE AND WHAT MR. BARCKLAY WAS SAYING ABOUT THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY, THE SURROUNDING USES OF THE PROPERTY, I BELIEVE THERE COULD BE JUSTIFICATION FOUND TO GRANT A VARIANCE.
HOLLINGSWORTH: HE HAS APPLIED FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT, CAN WE CONSIDER A VARIANCE?
WELAND: BECAUSE THE ZONE AMENDMENT IS A HIGHER LEVEL, AND I REALIZE THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN HERE THAT SETS A PRECEDENT ON THIS BECAUSE IT’S THE FIRST TIME IT’S HAPPENED, BUT I WOULD SUBMIT THAT BECAUSE THE APPLICATION THAT HE APPLIED FOR ESTABLISHES A HIGHER, MORE DENSE USE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FIVE RESIDENCES PER THE FIVE ACRE PARCEL AND HE’S ONLY REQUESTING A TWO AND A HALF (TWO RESIDENCES ON FIVE ACRES), AND BECAUSE IF IT’S YOUR DECISION THAT THE SPECIFICATIONS OF A VARIANCE DO APPLY, I WOULD THINK YOU COULD DOWNGRADE THAT, AND GRANT HIM EXACTLY WHAT HE’S SEEKING WITHOUT GRANTING THE ZONE MAP AMENDMENT WITH THE SPECIFICATION THAT HE ONLY SPLIT IT INTO TWO TWO AND A HALF ACRE PARCELS … IT COULD BE CHANGED TO A VARIANCE, GRANTING A LESSER IMPACTIVE APPLICATION.
HOLLINGSWORTH: WE HAVE ALL THESE POSSIBILITIES, AND AS A BOARD, WE CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THE VARIOUS POSSIBILITIES.
WELAND: THE REASON I THINK IT WOULD STAND UP IF IT WERE CHALLENGED; A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT IS A TWO HEARING PROCESS, EVERYBODY WAS NOTIFIED THAT HE WAS IN HERE FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A HIGHER AND MORE DENSE USE, SO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE AN INTEREST ATTENDED THIS MEETING UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO SPLIT DOWN INTO ONE ACRE PARCELS, WHICH IS WHAT THAT ZONE DISTRICT DESIGNATION DOES ALLOW. BY FAILING TO GRANT THAT AND BY STIPULATING THAT IT’S A VARIANCE, AND YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO APPROVE OR DENY A VARIANCE, SO IF YOU DENY A VARIANCE THIS EVENING, THE APPLICANT STILL HAS THE OPTION, IF THAT IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO HIS NEEDS, HE CAN FILE AN APPEAL AND STILL GO TO A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, REQUESTING THAT IT BE CONSIDERED AS A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT.
HOLLINGSWORTH: I SUGGEST WE DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A VARIANCE. THAT WAY, AT LEAST IT WOULD CONTROL WHAT EXACTLY CAN BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY, WHEREAS IF IT WAS ZONE AMENDED, THEN WE LOSE ALL CONTROL.
(DISCUSSION HELD ON PARCEL SIZE; ONE ACRE VS. 2 ½: POTENTIAL FUTURE ZONING.)
HOLLINGSWORTH: A VARIANCE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST WE AS A BOARD CAN DETERMINE THE FUTURE, OR AT LEAST THE NEAR FUTURE, FOR THIS PROPERTY.
DAVIS: HOW PERMANENT IS A VARIANCE?
WELAND: THE VARIANCE STAYS THERE FOR THE LIFE OF THE USE. AS LONG AS HE DIVIDES IT INTO TWO TWO AND A HALF ACRE PARCELS PURSUANT TO THAT, UNTIL THE UNDERLYING ZONING CHANGES, UH, IF SOMEBODY BOUGHT IT TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND THE UNDERLYING ZONING HADN’T CHANGED, THEY COULD NOT DIVIDE ANY SMALLER THAN THAT. THEY COULD CONJOIN THE TWO TO MAKE IT COMPLY AND THEN THEY WOULDN’T BE ABLE TO SPLIT IT BACK WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A VARIANCE PROCEDURE. TO CLARIFY A LITTLE ABOUT THE PROCEDURE, AS I SEE IT, I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD FIRST HAVE TO DENY THE ZONE MAP AMENDMENT, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A MOTION THAT IT BE DENIED BUT THAT IT DOES QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE, AND THAT THE VARIANCE WOULD STIPULATE THAT NO PARCEL WOULD BE DIVIDED TO LESS THAN TWO AND ONE HALF ACRES IN SIZE. (DISCUSSION HELD ON PROPERTY VALUATION, ALTERATION IN VALUE AND USE AS A RESULT OF RECENT DEVELOPMENT).
KELLOGG: WHAT DID YOU SAY A MINUTE AGO MIKE? CAN YOU
RESTATE THAT ABOUT, THAT AS A BOARD, WE NEED TO DENY …
WELAND: TO DETERMINE THAT IT DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT. BASED ON WHAT I’VE HEARD, THE ROADS ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE A ONE ACRE DENSITY, WHICH WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR DENYING THAT APPLICATION. HOWEVER, MAKING A DETERMINATION THAT IT DOES QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE AND LAY OF THE LAND AND SURROUNDING USES. AND THEN, IF THE MOTION WERE TO CARRY, THAT WOULD BE A FINAL DECISION, THE VARIANCE COULD BE GRANTED AND HE COULD SPLIT IT INTO TWO, TWO AND A HALF ACRE PARCELS WITHOUT CHANGING THE UNDERLYING ZONE DISTRICT … JUST MORE FODDER FOR YOU TO CONSIDER, THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, EVEN THOUGH IT’S NOT GOING TO BE IMPOSED UNTIL WE GO THROUGH THE ZONE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS, BASED ON THE COMP PLAN, YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED A TWO AND A HALF ACRE ZONE DISTRICT, SO YOU’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO FROM A FIVE ACRE TO A TWO AND A HALF ACRE TO A ONE ACRE … IF THIS AREA WERE REZONED TO THAT TWO AND A HALF ACRES, BOTH THE PARCELS CREATED BY VARIANCE WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH THE ZONE DISTRICT DESIGNATION.
(MCMAHON MADE MOTION TO DISAPPROVE THE ZONE MAP AMENDMENT AND CONSIDER APPLICATION AS A VARIANCE … DISCUSSION HELD ON CONTENT OF MOTION … BASED ON DISCUSSION, STAFF ASKED TO READ BACK MOTION)
WELAND: MOTION MADE TO DISAPPROVE THE ZONE MAP AMENDMENT DUE TO THE INSUFFICIENCY OF ROAD TO ACCOMMODATE A DENSITY OF ONE HOME PER ACRE, UNSUITABILITY OF SEPTIC AS IT (AREA) IS RELIANT ON PRIVATE SEPTIC (SYSTEMS), HOWEVER, THE REQUEST DOES QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY AND SURROUNDING USES …
FURTHER DISCUSSION HELD ON MOTION AND PROCEDURE, PARTICULARLY NEED TO RE-NOTICE AND SET NEW PUBLIC HEARING.
WELAND: I CONCUR THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE APPLICATION, SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND, OR SUGGEST THE MOTION MIGHT BE, TO DISAPPROVE THE ZONE AMENDMENT AS PRESENTED BASED ON THE INSUFFICIENCY OF ROADS AND THE INAVAILABILITY OF PRIVATE SEPTIC TO HANDLE A ONE ACRE DENSITY AS PROPOSED; HOWEVER, THE REQUEST COULD QUALIFY FOR A VARIANCE BASED ON THE TOPOGRAPHY AND SURROUNDING USES TO ALLOW A DIVISION NO LESS THAN TWO AND A HALF ACRES. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO DISAPPROVE AND, LET’S SEE, TO REOPEN FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY IN ORDER TO GRANT A VARIANCE. AND THEN WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AGAIN, PEOPLE WOULD AGAIN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, AND THEN WE CAN CLOSE THE HEARING TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND DISCUSS GRANTING A VARIANCE.
REOCH: WHAT ABOUT THE PUBLIC BEING NOTIFIED?
WELAND: THE PUBLIC WAS INFORMED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN APPLICATION FOR AMENDING THE ZONE ORDINANCE (MAP), WHICH WOULD HAVE ALLOWED A DENSITY OF ONE HOME PER ACRE, THIS IS SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCING THAT IMPACT, SO ANYBODY WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED SHOULD BE HERE TONIGHT.
MCMAHON MOVED AS READ, REOCH SECONDED AND MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY … HEARING REOPENED TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
(IN RESPONSE TO JACOB EPSTEIN’S OPPOSITION REGARDING ALTERING THE APPLICATION AND LACK OF ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING.)
WELAND: THE REASON I RAISED THE POSSIBILITY WAS BECAUSE OF MR. BARCKLAY’S COMMENTS REGARDING THE QUESTION, WOULD THIS QUALIFY AS A VARIANCE? BASED ON WHAT HE SAID, BECAUSE OF THE SHAPE OF THE PARCEL AND THE SURROUNDING USES, WHY WOULD THIS NOT QUALIFY AS A VARIANCE RATHER THAN AS A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT. IF THE ZONE MAP AMENDMENT WERE GRANTED, HE COULD LEGALLY BREAK IT DOWN INTO FIVE PIECES …
EPSTEIN: BUT NO COMPLAINT WAS RAISED BY THE APPLICANT OF THE SUITABILITY OF EITHER THE PARCEL THAT EXISTS OR THE PARCEL THAT WOULD RESULT WITH RESPECT TO BUILDING RESIDENCES UPON THE PROPERTY WHAT THE ZONING SAYS, OR ALLOWS. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR A VARIANCE …
WELAND: THAT’S WHAT THE P&Z COMMISSION HAS TO DECIDE.
EPSTEIN: THAT YOU’RE EVEN TRYING IT, THAT’S NOT A FAIR USE OF THE VARIANCE.
WELAND: THAT’S FOR THE BOARD TO DECIDE. IF IT MEETS THE CRITERIA, IN THEIR DETERMINATION …
HOLLINGSWORTH: THAT’S WHY THERE’S A BOARD. NOW, WE COULD TURN THIS DOWN, WE COULD OKAY WHAT HE WANTED ORIGINALLY, AND WE’D HAVE OUR OWN MAJOR PROBLEMS, WE’D BE RIGHT BACK AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORS WOULD BE SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER … WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO AS A BOARD IS TO REACH A CENTERLINE SO THAT THE LOTS STAY, POSSIBLY, ABOUT WHERE THEY’RE GOING TO STAY ONCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GOES INTO EFFECT. AND WE, AS A BOARD, HAVE A RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS. MAYBE SOMETIMES WE’RE GOING TO MAKE THE WRONG DECISIONS LEGALLY, BUT UNTIL THAT TIME, WE HAVE THE RIGHT, AS A BOARD, TO DISCUSS AND TO DECIDE WHAT WE’RE GOING TO DO. NOW IF SOMEONE NEXT WEEK SAYS WE DID SOMETHING ILLEGAL, FINE, THEN WE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT UP UNTIL THAT TIME, THAT’S WHY WE’RE HERE. WE’RE APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO ACT ON THESE PROPOSALS, AND WE ARE ACTING ON THIS PROPOSAL … (HEARING CLOSED) NOW WHAT WE’RE DISCUSSING IS A VARIANCE ON THIS PROPERTY, SO THERE’LL BE TWO HOUSES, ONE THAT’S ALREADY EXISTING AND ONE ON TWO AND A HALF ACRES. …
(DISCUSSION HELD ON NEED TO SCHEDULE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARING.)
WELAND: THE LEGAL BASIS FOR MY RECOMMENDATION; THERE HAS BEEN CASE LAW ESTABLISHED. MR. EPSTEIN IS RIGHT, IF THE APPLICANT HAD COME IN REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO HAVE THIS SPLIT INTO TWO AND A HALF, AND THE DECISION OF THE BOARD WOULD HAVE BEEN, “NAH, THIS FITS A ZONE MAP AMENDMENT, WE’LL MAKE IT ONE ACRE,” IT WOULD HAVE GONE TO PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE YOU ARE INCREASING THE DENSITY, YOU ARE INCREASING THE IMPACT. IN THIS CASE, IT’S THE ASSUMPTION UNDER LAW THAT THE PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE IN THIS AUDIENCE ARE PARTICIPATING THAT THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A HIGHER USE, A ONE ACRE DENSITY. YOU HAVE, BY MOTION, REFUSED THAT, YOU HAVE STATED AND MADE THE MOTION THAT POSSIBLY IT WILL FIT THE DEFINITION OF A VARIANCE THAT WILL BE 2 ½ … YOU ARE REDUCING THE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT EVERYBODY WHO IS HERE, WHO IS INTERESTED, IS HERE BASED ON THE ONE ACRE MINIMUM. BECAUSE WE REOPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT EVERYONE WHO WOULD BE AFFECTED ADVERSELY IS ALREADY HERE. YOU’VE DECREASED THE DENSITY, SO YOU’VE DECREASED THE IMPACT. SO BY REOPENING PUBLIC HEARING AND TAKING THAT ADDITIONAL COMMENT, EVERYBODY WHO IS AFFECTED SHOULD BE HERE AND BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT.